As a Mormon and a feminist, over the years there have been more than a few culturally-driven doctrinal explanations that have caused me to raise an eyebrow (or mutter frustratedly under my breathe to my husband... or come home ranting and raving... but let's stick to the more socially appropriate eyebrow lift ;). There are a lot of explanations given in Mormon circles that have been passed down through the eons of Sunday School, and some are more doctrinally sound than others. Here are just two of the many that have stood out to me over the years:
First, the "roles" of men and women in the church. I prefer thinking of them as stewardships--elaborated on here-- but in mainstream discussion the conversation tends to go something like this:
"Now what is the most important role of women in God's Plan?"
"Motherhood!!!"
"And what is the most important role of men in God's Plan?"
"Priesthood!!!"
??? I've always been utterly perpelexed by this conclusion, but it seems a pretty common explanation. Here's my question-- isn't the ultimate point of God's plan that both men and women become like God-- Eternal Parents? In other words, isn't the most important role and experience for both women and men alike that of parenthood? If not, why do we call God "Heavenly Father" as opposed to "Great Priesthood Holder of all the Universe"? I think the distinction that we call him Father is a very important one. Fatherhood is the crowning experience for men, and priesthood responsibilities are currently an appendage to that, aiding men in the process of becoming like our Father in Heaven. More on that later.
Common-Mormon-Explanation-That-Causes-Cognitive-Dissonance-#2:
Most members, when asked the question of why women don't have the priesthood in our Church, respond with something along the lines of:
"Men have priesthood and women have motherhood. Both are equally important to God."
This response has always caused a lot of confusion, because once we establish that fatherhood/motherhood are actually the most important responsibility for both men and women, why then would we equate motherhood with priesthood? Shouldn't we instead be equating motherhood with fatherhood? It seems a natural comparison since the two literally require each other, they are meant to last forever together, and they are the ultimate eternal objective of every striving latter-day-saint. That being the case, the question of why women don't have priesthood becomes even more pressing, since fatherhood is actually the equivalent of motherhood. Therefore priesthood must be some kind of extra-- a special treatment/responsibility that only men are able to have. Indeed this sentiment was confirmed to me recently when I taught Sunday School to a group of 8-year-olds about Priesthood, and when asked about what was required to receive the priesthood, the students let me know "being a boy" was required, and that boys can receive the priesthood at age 12. Then one of the female students piped in "And we get nothing!" The rest of the girls nodded and looked around defeated, concurring with each other. I remember feeling the same way, and those sentiments only grew each time that someone told me motherhood was my equivalent to priesthood. "Thanks" I thought... but having babies really doesn't seem as appealing or important as providing the saving ordinances of the gospel, healing the sick, and sealing families together forever. Indeed, the fact that our lessons so frequently emphasize that the restoration of the priesthood is the element that makes our Church true and real only solidified in my mind the fact that priesthood was more important than having babies. It's hard to constantly hear lessons about how the restoration of the priesthood is what makes everything possible today-- essentially offering salvation to everyone-- and then have it followed up with something apologetic like "having children is really, really important though, and you're an important part of God's plan." Hmmm... okay sure.
So I was recently pondering on this conundrum, and because of inspiration garnered through prayer, fasting, and study, I have learned for myself the importance of providing life for God's children. The task of creating mortal bodies for the whole host of heaven is an incredible stewardship. In fact I am persuaded that, like our reverence for priesthood ordinances in mortal life, that we reverenced the ordinance of birth during our pre-mortal life (and we would do well to do so today).
But I was still a bit perplexed by the "motherhood is the equivalent of priesthood" logic, because I truly felt that fatherhood is the equivalent of motherhood, and shouldn't be constantly viewed in the gospel paradigm as some kind of appendage to the priesthood. As I continued to study this conundrum, I was able to carefully consider the stewardships of motherhood and fatherhood, which I've outlined as follows:
Mothers of course create life, birth life, nurture and provide for life. Complementary to motherhood, fathers create life and also nurture and provide for life. However they do not birth life, and when the responsibilities are laid out succinctly as I have done above, it is clear that there is an inequity in the responsibilities of mothers and fathers. And this is where I believe the Priesthood, at least in its current form, comes in. Priesthood ordination and responsibilities allow men-- aspiring eternal fathers-- to provide spiritual birth to God's children. This spiritual birth is the complement to that physical birth given to us as a gift from our mothers. These two births complete a whole that allows us to become like our Heavenly Parents-- a whole physical body, a whole physical spirit. Both are possible because of the atonement, and both offer beautiful symbolic parallels to the atonement. Physical birth is marked by blood, water, pain, and sacrifice. Spiritual birth is marked by a sacrifice of worldly sin, and symbolically marked by water and cleansing fire. And with the responsibility of both births acknowledged for their absolutely critical eternal importance, we see the responsibilities of mothers and fathers as parallels:
In order to recognize these parallel responsibilities, it was critical for me to begin seeing physical birth in a different light. Like many girls, I thought of birth as a painful necessity, something awful that I'd have to go through because of some unknown (and insane) reason. I even remember writing in my journal, under my list of questions I wanted to ask God someday when I met him again (classic right?), the following question: "Why do we have to have periods and go through birth? Was there seriously no other way that you could conceive of?!?!?" (no pun intended ;). As I matured I realized that I don't have to wait till I see God again to ask questions, even if they're hard questions. He has told us "Ask and ye shall receive, knock and it shall be opened unto you"-- and I have developed a faith that we can expect answers. So I began asking him these questions, and feel that he is trying to help me receive answers. There are so many layers to the answers, but one element I have felt is right is this: birth is an ordinance, an important gift that is the stewardship of God's daughters. This was confirmed to me by the fact that a woman who is sealed in the Temple, and who is living worthily, can give birth to her children in the covenant. By virtue of her covenant, her children are born within the covenant too. Accordingly, when children are born outside the covenant a priesthood ordinance has to occur to replace it-- children are sealed to their parents in the Temple, as though they were born in the covenant. In other words, not being born in the covenant requires a Priesthood ordinance to replace it. It's that important.
It is also important because it puts a special responsibility on covenant women to honor their covenants as a blessing to their children. One of the reasons I was reluctant to acknowledge birth as an important responsibility for women was because I figured almost every woman can give birth, so what's special about it? Unlike worthiness-based ordination to the priesthood, women can and frequently do give birth in undesirable circumstances into immoral and even abusive families and traditions. How could my ability to give birth be a special responsibility when practically any woman in the course of history could do the same? Thus you can see how special it was to me when I realized that worthiness and covenant-keeping create an important aspect of the birth process where children can be born in the covenant. Worthiness does matter.
I'd like to make an important point, for those women who adopt or who remain childless in this life. I have spent some time thinking about how adoption plays into all this this-- I have friends and family that have adopted, and I myself hope to adopt in the future. I think something important to remember is that this is not a competition-- if our children are sealed to us through a priesthood ordinance, that doesn't mean we've missed an important opportunity. That we failed and now our husbands have to pick up on the slack. On the contrary, our worthiness is important in that ordinance too, and it does not matter how are children are sealed to us. I think the only thing that matters is that when we do give birth, we should endeavor to do so in a manner that honors the experience as a sacred stewardship and type of the atonement.
Furthermore, to those who are unable to give birth in this life--whether due to infertility, the absence of a companion, same-sex attraction, or whatever-- this is only a temporary experience. Like the untold millions of men who were unable to hold the priesthood in this life-- whether because they lacked the gospel in their life or because they were excluded based on tribe, race, ethnicity, etc-- not everyone fulfills every aspect of stewardship in this life. It doesn't seem fair... and I'm sure it's not. In complete candor it is disheartening to me and the only insight I have for now is that truly, life is not fair nor was it meant to be nor will it ever be. Stewardship opportunities are just one aspect of a multifaceted life experience, an experience that constantly requires us to know that mortality is unfair. Fortunately, the ultimate outcome of mortality will be fair; as a result of the atonement, everyone is given the reward of resurrection (a reward that we didn't earn at all, so our reward is more than fair). Add to that our own righteous works and the fulfillment of whatever stewardships we are given in this life, and our reward can be compounded exponentially as we become joint-heirs with Christ and become like God. So while I sometimes get upset and bogged down by the injustice of our current circumstances, my heart is lifted up by the incredibly just--indeed merciful and amazing--rewards of this life. We can take comfort that where we face injustice in our lives now, our rewards will be just and our experiences full. Furthermore, I believe we still have progress to make as a church, so where current stewardships might be unfair to some now, I believe we could see changes in the future that reflect more eternal equality and partnership. The thoughts I shared above only speak to our current delineation of stewardships, which I believe could change or grow based on future revelation.
I'd also like to highlight that while men do currently hold the priesthood and give the gift of "spiritual birth," as I've identified it, I also believe that there are many important, complementary ways that women could be involved in the administration of the church. Indeed, if male priesthood authority represents a stewardship to administer the ordinances of the gospel (which isn't clear, it's just a notion I've proposed in this article), then it seems logical that women could be involved in a great many administrative capacities of the church. Even further, perhaps women could become more collaborative partners in the process of spiritual birth? (certainly, men are collaborators in physical birth) Currently, women are intimately involved in the administration of ordinances in the temple. So it's not clear, even if men are responsible for administering ordinances, why women couldn't be more involved in that process. Perhaps they could be. The beauty of a parallel-stewardship paradigm is that it reflects the need that men and women have for each other. It serves as a symbolic representation that "neither is the man without the woman, in the Lord." In my view, this need should not facilitate strict gender roles that divide us, in fact, my purpose in this article is specifically not to justify strict gender roles that separate men and women, and I hope readers don't use it in that way. Rather, I see this symbolic "need" between the genders as a way to facilitate equal partnership and collaboration (see this great article about stewardships). It should bring us closer together--facilitate our "one"-ness--rather than divide us as two totally separated halves of a whole. Instead, it should make us whole. The creation of life and birth, for example, are beautiful symbols of this collaboration, and it seems that we can still do better in reflecting that collaborative process in our administration of "spiritual re-birth", if you will. What that collaboration will look like eternally, I'm simply can't say, however I offered some possibilities for our current framework below (the second bulleted list).
On the note of making progress towards equality and partnership, I'd like to pose some additional questions.
- How do we change the paradigm from "Motherhood is the equivalent of priesthood" to "Motherhood and Fatherhood are complements"?
- How do we increase discussion of these topics in meaningful ways, and change rote (and flawed) explanations to meaningful, doctrinally-based answers?
- How do we stop dismissing the concerns of young women and their lack of priesthood opportunities and start changing our paradigm to include the whole picture of responsibilities and important contributions to God's plan?
- How do we even learn what those responsibilities and important contributions are, with limited resources about women?
- How do we fully incorporate women into the Church experience?
- When church functions and meetings are not priesthood/ordinance-specific, we should invite and include women. And why not include women? Our leaders have repeatedly acknowledged the ways that we benefit from the voices and contributions of women on councils. I can think of no doctrinal reason that women should not be involved.
- **UPDATE: the recent expansion of leadership roles for sister missionaries seems to reflect this principle, serving as just one example of practical ways we can accomplish this.
- Improve doctrinal teachings regarding Fatherhood and Motherhood. Rather than allowing culturally rote phrases like "motherhood is the equivalent of priesthood" to continue recycling through the discussions of the Church, we would benefit hugely from more clear and specific teachings on these topics. We can take initiative in our own circumstances to learn and provide more doctrinally consistent answers, and also acknowledge when we don't have answers (instead of giving platitudes as if they're truth).
- We could hear more from women at General Conference, include the Relief Society Broadcast as an official part of General Conference, and have women offer prayers in General Conference. I don't know what is keeping us from having women offer prayers at General Conference, but I can find no doctrinal reason to support it
- **UPDATE: women did indeed pray in the most recent session of Conference!


25 comments:
Great points...I just taught a YW lesson about the Priesthood and started out by asking the girls why men and women were needed and designed to hold keys to God's plan. The girls were pretty smart...they knew that in the plan of salvation women hold the key to entering mortality...men hold the key to being "reborn" into eternal life. It takes both a man and a woman to help carry out God's plan, so their "keys" that they have the privilege to hold are indeed equally powerful and necessary. And both roles require serving God's children. One alone just won't do!
This is beautiful. I love your charts, i think it is really an ha ha moment when you realize that the reason men have " additional" something is because their stewardship as a father is lacking the life giving component that women have. I remember when that light went on for me i felt silly that id ever coveted mens roles, when mine is pretty incredible. I think we do have a long way to help women fully realize and internalize this truth, but i know that i have seen the light go on in so many womens eyes when they realize that they really already knew this in their hearts.
Also, i think it has been fascinating how the last few conferences there has been a few talks ( like elder packers) about how important it is for fathers to administer the ordinances to their children. I am sure that is something that will only be stressed more and more.
I think you wrote a wonderful piece and i hope it is a message that just gets spread more and more, to men and women.
Have you read" the gift of giving life" book yet? I think you might like it!
I loved the insight you found about how the worthiness of the mother matters. That is something I haven't thought of before.
I think change can happen in small ways, such as whenever we hear comments such as "motherhood is the same as the priesthood" we can share, in a very abbreviated way, that the reason for that is because mothers give mortal life and priesthood ordinances give eternal life, and both are essential to the plan of salvation. Only when I came to understand this did the phrase make sense to me.
And I am slowly seeing other changes in the church giving women more of a voice. For example, today in regional conference, the temple matron of the Mt. Timpanogos temple spoke and the temple president did not, and it was a wonderful talk, and a wonderful meeting overall.
Wow. That was just beautiful!!! I love how you brought it all together. I'm saving this one for sure. What a thinker you are! (Wish I still had time to think!!)
I really appreciated this post. It's something that I've struggled with a lot myself. I remember asking in a college institute class why, if motherhood is stressed as such a glorious position and calling for women, we never ever hear anything about Heavenly Mother? (The speculative guesses were beyond unhelpful and borderline insulting--ie, because She's so compassionate She cannot bear to watch her children struggle through this life? What is THAT?)
You've made a lot of excellent points and brought up things I haven't ever thought of, like the worthiness of a mother resulting in her child being born in the covenant. I love that.
I don't know what the solution is... I do know that my husband *hates* it when men are addressed as "the Priesthood" in casual conversation, as when the Bishop releases the Priesthood who passed the sacrament to go sit with their families. I think we could do a better job of distinguishing the office from the individuals, and try to encourage men to see their role as fathers to be equally important as Priesthood holders.
I would also LOVE to hear women speak in Conference on non-women specific topics. We have had a few in recent conferences, but in general the women are practically *guaranteed* to talk about motherhood, Relief Society, strengthening the family, etc. I would love the talks to be less gender-focused and to hear our RS President or YW President talk about faith, or the atonement, or ANYTHING that doesn't send the signal of "I'm a woman so I have to talk about womanly things."
--Elizabeth "I swear I'm not stalking you and I hope this joke isn't getting creepy but Brother Ngo recently linked your blog on Google+ so we can blame him for this" LaBau
I really, really loved these insights, Kelsey. Thank you for sharing and for asking hard questions.
I have seen changes in various wards I have been in - in my home ward, usually married couples said the prayers in church, and then sometimes two singles said them (which they probably just did out of convenience - if you ask a person and their spouse is right there, why not ask them too?) although now I see how awkward that sort of is. But I have been in wards since where just women have given the prayers, or men, or just random picks (not couples).
I also don't know why women don't say prayers in General Conference, or why more women don't speak in Conference. I would also like to see more women talking on non-woman specific topics. Maybe they are waiting for women speakers to start speaking on non-woman topics before they invite more . . . maybe it's as much as they can stomach. KIDDING! Kidding.
I couldn't stop thinking about this last night and came up with a few discussion items that I thought would be fun to talk about. I think I've kind of come full circle with it, but thought I'd just go thru my thought process. I guess I do have time to think, but it's when I should be sleeping! Maybe it's a good thing that I've stopped thinking and blogging so much; I get just a little more sleep.
I started thinking about the temple and how women also participate in giving the ordinances. Would this be stepping on the men's toes? Apparently it doesn't because we do it. Plus, it's such a wonderful thing to be served by sisters in the temple. Then I remembered back to some historical documents (such as patriarchal blessings) that refer to a woman sharing the priesthood jointly with her husband. I always thought that was weird terminology because women don't hold the priesthood, but as parents (like you say), we share the responsibility to provide the saving ordinances for our families -- so I suppose that still fits. I also wondered, did these women understand this all better than we do now? Has something gotten in the way of our present understanding?
I also pondered how your little chart totally fits within a family situation, but when expanded to a church situation, there's that hierarchy of priesthood leadership, which is a bit different, and still seems to leave the women out a bit. There's still that aspect of the men presiding at meetings -- a part of their priesthood stewardship? Why? I don't know. It seems apparent that some of that hierarchy is unnecessary/undoctrinal, but I'm patient, and I'm sure it will all be worked out the way it's supposed to.
But then I kind of looked at the whole Church as a big family. As a whole, we need to be taking care of one another -- through our temple service & sharing the ordinances -- we use the organization of the church to provide that. If every family had worthy people, we'd just get the ordinances from our families probably, but because we don't, we have good, kind brothers and sisters who will assist us.
I know you kind of went over all this, and pretty much had the same conclusions, but I suppose it was just a round-about sort of way that I went through it in my head. Thanks again for the thought provoking post. And... I've felt really happy today about being a mother.
I don't know you, so I hope it's not weird that I'm commenting on your blog, but someone linked to it on Facebook and I wanted to share my thoughts. I think it's great that the ideas you present here bring comfort to some women. I really do. But as someone who is starting to come to terms with the fact that motherhood is in all likelihood not an opportunity I will be presented with in this life no matter how worthy I have kept myself and how earnestly I have prayed for it, it just doesn't work for me.
Yes, I did see that you addressed the fact that some women do not have children or have children through adoption. But the fact remains that I and many like me are not mothers (in my case not even a wife), and that makes many of us feel like second class citizens in the church. I love the gospel, but I feel as though I do not fit in and at times I feel like I am not even welcome at things like ward activities because they are so couple and family oriented. I have had home teachers who will not visit me because they do not think it is proper to come into a single woman's home (they have told me this).
I have no plans to ever leave the church, because as much as it hurts me, I believe that it is true. I am endowed, worthy sister with a strong testimony. I just want to feel like I belong in the church, and things about how motherhood is women's special role in the gospel makes me feel as though I have no value because I do not have that role. My intent here is not to offend or to disparage what you have written - I think it is a beautiful idea for those to whom it applies. I just want people to know that the idea of being a mother in the next life is not necessarily enough to take away the pain of those of us who feel marginalized in the church because we are not mothers in this life.
-A single sister
Dear single friend,
I'm so glad you shared your perspective. I was anxious about sharing these thoughts for fear of this very reason. Writing is so difficult, and really communicating spiritual insights via blog posts is an immense challenge. So I want you to know that I really sympathize with your pains and struggles. Thought I am not in your position it occurs to me often how challenging our family-oriented... well... everything must be for single members. And for what it's worth, while I am married I don't have any children myself, so I can relate to that at least to a certain degree. What I perhaps didn't explain well in my article is that I believe we have a wonderful spectrum of stewardships, and this element of physical motherhood is just one element. Specifically, only one of the many "special" stewardships that women have. And while it pains many of us that we won't experience it-- an experience that is heartbreakingly addressed in scripture even, where women's stories are so few-- I don't believe we can diminish the eternal importance of it because it causes us pain now. It still is something that is beautifully and eternally significant. That said, I really do know that we have a spectrum of responsibilities, and this is just one small part of those stewardships that can be available to God's daughters. I touched on that idea a bit in this article: http://empoweringldswomen.blogspot.com/2011/02/motherhood-not-only-childbearing-task.html.
So in summary, I agree with you that the idea of being a mother in the next life does not take away the pain experienced by those of of us in this life who don't have the opportunity. It's utterly unfair. That's what I poorly tried to address originally-- I don't have any explanation except that things really aren't fair. I work in the field of human rights, with refugees and survivors of trafficking, and so the absolute injustice of mortality is constantly on my mind and weighs heavy on my heart. Many in this life have no love, no family, only face constant abuse and exploitation until they die in pain and misery. Many in this life have no opportunity to hear the gospel. Many in this life never have the opportunity to exercise the priesthood. Many of us never have the opportunity to physically bear children. There are so many injustices that it can be overwhelming. I don't know what to say about it, except the only way that I've found to deal with it is to consider the Atonement and try to let it wash over the pain that results from knowing and experiencing these injustices.
I validate your perspective, and I 100% agree that the inability to participate in all spiritual opportunities, all stewardships, all experiences... it is painful, and isn't always comforted by the promise of justice in a future life. It can feel like a small prize, even a "slap in the face" as one person put it. I don't really know what we can do about it except try to let the Atonement heal us and help us to understand. I mentioned in my article that I've tried taking the hard questions to God, and this is one of the questions that I'm wrestling with now. Perhaps as you wrestle with it, and I do, and others do as well, we'll have better insights and we'll also do better at making everyone feel like they belong in Christ's church. No one should feel like they don't belong-- it's a feeling I know well, and it's a feeling I hope we can all aid in eliminating.
My solidarity in the struggle and love goes out to you. I hope this explanation, though undoubtedly falling short of what I'd actually hope to communicate to you, at least captures the heart of what I'm trying to say.
Hi again,
I'm the single sister who commented before and I want to say thank you so much for your kind words. I do think that you understand. I like what you said about how there is a lot of injustice and imperfection in the world and that that's why we need the Atonement. I certainly agree with that. I too have a job where I work with a lot of people who have had incredibly unfair things happen to them, and it really does get overwhelming at times, doesn't it? It can be hard to remember sometimes that it all really does come back to the Atonement. So many things just don't make sense and can be really difficult, but it really does all come back to Christ. He is a nice thing to hang on to when you feel like you can't hang on to anything else.
-Single sister
Dear Single Friend,
I spent eight years in the Young Single Adult population of the Church and felt a lot of "so where's my place?" at various times. I remember a particularly difficult night when my younger sister was getting engaged and I felt my dating life was doomed because Heavenly Father had told me to move to New York City and start working at a big, nasty, time-consuming, date-killing law firm. I was devastated, but through lots and lots of tears and prayers I drew closer to my Heavenly Father. I kind of feel like the fact that I did end up getting married and I'm now pregnant with our first makes people dismissive of the pain I sometimes felt as a single member of the Church. What's worse is when people are dismissive of the real growth that can come from focusing on developing your testimony of the Atonement through the trial of singleness. There is so much that single brothers and sisters contribute to the church and there are so many ways that we can grow as single individuals. All I can say is that I empathize with you, and I'm glad to hear that you aren't letting the challenges single life presents drive a wedge between you and the church. Keep on going, and if anyone at church ever makes a disparaging comment about being single--ignore it. You are valued and have a lot to give and Heavenly Father does not and will not ever forget you.
I'm glad to hear that the Spirit was able to reveal to you how men and women, through God's plan, are both givers of life -- and without each specific part in His plan, none of us could progress. I, also, learned this through the Spirit, years ago. That truth profoundly changed my life.
tMDg
I'm glad I got to read this. I suspect that this isn't always explained in this way because of the issue of single and childless sisters. I skimmed the post about the rich meaning of the word "mother"--good thoughts there. My thoughts are, and this may develop into a blog post someday, that pregnancy, birth, lactation, and mothering are archetypes for the development of divine nature. Those experiences aren't necessary for every woman to become godly, but every woman can and should strive to emulate the divine qualities those experiences can teach.
Some of the comments above made me think of the last paragraph in this interview with a historian about Emma Smith:
http://womeninthescriptures.blogspot.com/2012/07/understanding-emma-smiths-life-by-mark.html
I think this explanation of the joint identity of married couples in Joseph and Emma's day may shed some light on the language mentioned about sharing the priesthood as well as maybe help explain the lack of direct mentions of Heavenly Mother in scripture. I have this idea that the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon might offer some clarification about Her, but I'll just have to wait for the Lord's timing to find out.
Julie B. Beck's address from the 2011 BYU Women's Conference offered some interesting perspective on the priesthood stewardships of men and women, and she actually calls both of them "priesthood duties"
"The priesthood is God’s power. It is His power to create, to bless, to lead, to serve as He does. The priesthood duty of every righteous man is to qualify for the blessing of holding that priesthood and trust for the Lord so that he can bless his family and those around him. And I will say the priesthood duty of sisters is to create life, to nurture it, to prepare it for covenants of the Lord. Don’t confuse the power with the keys and the offices of the priesthood. God’s power is limitless and it is shared with those who make and keep covenants. Too much is said and misunderstood about what the brothers have and the sisters don’t have. This is Satan’s way of confusing both men and women so neither understands what they really have. Sisters and brothers each have every ordinance, every gift, and every blessing available to them to get back to our Father in Heaven, and no one, male or female, is left outside of those blessings to qualify for exaltation. There is a unity in the council and the covenant that is required us to get there. Neither the man nor the woman can ascend without the other. We are inseparably connected in that way. I understand how special women are. I understand how special men are. And together we’re more special. We become what the Lord wants us to become." (the whole talk is here: https://www.lds.org/callings/relief-society/messages-from-leaders/messages-from-leaders/womens-conference-2011?lang=eng)
I forgot about this one-- another post exploring "broad" motherhood, as opposed to only physical motherhood: http://empoweringldswomen.blogspot.com/2012/02/awareness-wednesday-on-thursday-this-is.html
I LOVED this. My friend posted this on fb and I really really loved two trees. My whole life I was told "it's all in the scriptures" and "you'll understand better when you go through the temple" (which I'm sure is true)but between these brush off explanations and all the nearly mistranslations I couldn't seem to find what actually made sense. I have looked for more clear understanding of these things my entire life, and while it felt alluded to, it has never been quite this clear. I appreciate this so much. A little off topic, but also something the end of this post made me even more aware of is our struggle with the "unfairness" of life. I have found alot of peace in the perspective of knowing that mortality is provided for us in such a way so that we can screw up. So that we can experience exactly what will teach us specifically what we need to know in order to learn to use our agency better. Amazingly enough, we can't make those mistakes in God's presence. He can't be here to make everything perfectly just and fair. But He is so awesome that he provided a way for it to be fair in the end like you said, with the atonement. The insight shared here is awesome. LOVE IT.
You start by saying you are a Mormon and a feminist. What does it mean to you to be a feminist?
As a single Mormon man, I have heard that term used in a lot of ways, both as a compliment, or as the opposite. I'm just sincerely curious about what you see is the heart and definition of feminism.
@YoungDimitri:
I like this definition and feel it fits my philosophy pretty well: "Feminism is the philosophical belief that advocates the equality of women and men and seeks to remove inequities and to redress injustices against women" (Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Mary Stovall).
And I'll include a couple quotes that persuade me that the Savior himself is a good example of that brand of feminism:
"Perhaps it is no wonder that the women were first at the Cradle and last at the Cross. They had never known a man like this Man—there never has been such another. A prophet and teacher who never nagged at them, never flattered or coaxed or patronized; who never made arch jokes about them . . . who took their questions and arguments seriously; who never mapped out their sphere for them, never urged them to be feminine or jeered at them for being female; who had no axe to grind and no uneasy male dignity to defend" (Dorothy Sayers).
And from the Intro to the new "Daughters in My Kingdom" manual: "Throughout His mortal ministry, the Savior showed special love and concern for women. Elder James E. Talmage of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles said, “The world’s greatest champion of woman and womanhood is Jesus the Christ.” The Savior taught women in multitudes and as individuals, on the street and by the seashore, at the well and in their homes. He showed loving-kindness toward them and healed them and their family members. In many parables, He told stories of women engaged in ordinary activities. He demonstrated deep familiarity with women’s lives and drew timeless gospel lessons from their everyday experiences. He forgave them. He wept with them. He had compassion on them in their specific circumstances as daughters, wives, homemakers, mothers, and widows. He appreciated them and ennobled them. Even in excruciating pain on the cross, the Savior expressed concern for His mother, who by then was very likely a widow in need of watchcare. And the first person to whom He appeared after His Resurrection was a woman"
And this gem, from my mentor and friend, highlights how the Priesthood-- exercised correctly-- should further emulate this "Christlike" feminism if you will: "Where in the world can be found a group of men dedicated to a single standard of chastity and marital fidelity? Where can we find a group of men dedicated to marriage—getting married and staying married? Where can we find a group of men dedicated to upholding the safety, flourishing, and equality of women? Men who want to have children, and take part in raising them? Men who value their daughters as much as they value their sons? Men who abhor abuse, pornography, and neglect? Men who embrace burden-sharing with their wives, including the burden of housework? Where we can find a group of men who covenant these things as part of their duty to God? They are right here in this room. You are a special covenant brotherhood unlike any other on this planet. Thank God for the restoration of the priesthood, that restores a vision of how God wanted his daughters treated by his sons!" (Dr. Valerie Hudson, http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2010_The_Two_Trees.html).
These quotes are all available in the tabs at the top of our blog, organized by topic. For more on this subject, I'd especially check out the "Women and Men" tab and the "Society and Education" tab.
@Brittany, I love that quote from Sister Beck! The whole talk is wonderful. I included that quote in this article awhile back: http://empoweringldswomen.blogspot.com/2011/09/daughters-in-my-kingdom.html.
@Rabbit-- thanks for sharing your experience, and I can't tell you how many times I also was told that I'd understand everythign when I went to the Temple. I've been endowed for 4+ years now and I'll tell you this-- don't hold your breathe. There aren't any ringing clear answers there, and like with most of the gospel, you'll need to dig deep and work hard to have insights that connect the dots of how women fit into the plan. But it's possible and there are certainly truths that can be garnered from the Temple when you take it seriously and take your questions to the Lord. I just wouldn't hold out for it to address all your concerns-- just keep doing what you're doing :).
@Megan, thank you for adding your experience and voice to our conversation here.
To everyone else: thank you for the insights, feedback, thoughts etc! I'd love to respond to each person individually but I'm not sure I'll be able to. In case I don't, I love your comments and welcome them all! Especially those of you who shared your personal feelings and experiences-- thank you.
Splendid insights. Doctrinally sound, and more importantly, spiritually heartfelt. Questions regarding our womanhood and how it fits into the eternal gospel scheme will always arise. I find that Sherri Dew has also often addressed such issues beautifully. In truth, I've never found the need to "shelf" such issues until I'm able to ask God myself! Nor have I found it necessary to subscribe to many of the pulpit patronizing that is well-intentioned yet occasionally demeaning. For me, it's all about Heavenly Father's love for me, my familial stewardship, shared with my husband, and also the individual separateness that allows/requires me to pursue/work out my own salvation. Thank you for this blog!
Thank you for these thoughts. I really appreciate your viewpoint, because it is thoughtful and insightful, but not attacking in any way. Thank you so much. I really value these thoughts.
To those fathers out there, this quote gives us additional insight on the role of the priesthood. "You have the power of the priesthood directly from the Lord to protect your home. There will be times when all that stands as a shield between your family and the adversary's mischief will be that power." --Boyd K. Packer
God Himself holds the priesthood and is the source of that power. Let us who hold that priesthood follow His example and have our work and glory "to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of [our own children]."
The idea of the Priesthood beign equal to Motherhood has been somethign I have been struggling with for quite a while. I saw this posted on a couple of my groups on facebook and thought I ought to check it out. I actually was really excited this until it got to the Two Tree portion and then I realized I might have something to add. I just recently heard about the Two Trees idea at a discussion group where Valerie Hudson came and presented it, and although it may be satifying for some women, I actually felt like the idea was reaching to far. I recently read a critique on it that I thought I would add to this discussion as a counterpoint. I always feel having varying ideas in a discussion can bring about more open thoughts.
http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2011/11/01/the-two-trees/
Also wanted to say, I am so glad there are discussions about this and I liked your points of improvement.
May I, a stranger to you, comment? I had the sweet exprience of doing the temple work for my deceased grandson last Friday. Although I have served as an ordinance worker on two continents, it never dawned on me that, before I could proceed with any ordinance work for my grandson, I needed to be ordained (on his behalf) to the Melchezedek Priesthood. No such requirement has been laid upon sisters, although they are promised priesthood and presiding authority. (Anyone who thinks women will never hold the priesthood just hasn't been paying attention to the temple ceremonies, IMO.)
When viewed in this light, I see no reason for women to feel that they are somehow lesser beings because they ned not be ordained.
I just realized something in reading this. I too was struggling with some of this, thinking, how can this make single women in the church feel better when they're still being told that 'you'll be truly happy and fulfilled when you're dead' since all men, whether they are married or not, can at least participate in the highest offices of the priesthood if worthy? And to add to it that birth can happen in so many diverse circumstances, and against a woman's will even, but no one is ever "Priesthooded" against their will.
But the one part of this article that actually made me feel suddenly calm and OK was (surprisingly)this:
"In complete candor it is disheartening to me and the only insight I have for now is that truly, life is not fair nor was it meant to be nor will it ever be. "
Something that drives me batty is when someone brings up a group of people or an individual who feel marginalized or hurt in the church by some of its policies and/or practices, and then someone(s) practically dismissed their pain and explains how whatever is hurting them is really God's will (like all the painful "reasons" for blacks not receiving the Priesthood back in the day. Or some of the misunderstood views of homosexuality.) Often this makes the group or individual feel even worse-like they should be happy with a situation that is causing them massive heartache and depression when they're supposed to find joy in the Gospel (which adds even more guilt.) You know what? Sometimes it may be that there's something not understood yet, but sometimes it's just that in a very mortal sense, life is unfair.
I don't know why it is this way, but I do believe it is the Lord's will that we experience unfairness to some degree. Some have to live with more than others and we don't know the reason, but I do think damage is when we think that these injustices or mortal short-sightedness reflects the "eternal nature/order of things." (I.E. the erroneous belief that black people were less righteous in the pre-existence because an apostle said it.)
Also, I'm not saying that there's not some order and reason behind much of how the Church and the Gospel are organized that I just don't understand yet. I know there's a TON of that too, and sometimes I need to let the Lord teach me instead of pushing my own will and agenda, but I also know that when I can acknowledge to myself that some things still aren't fair even though they are from God somewhere up the line (and get all mortal and imperfect as they filter down), then I am able to accept things and move forward better.
I had a friend who served a mission in South America. One day while tracting in a really poor area, this woman (who came from a privileged, wealthy background in the US) sorrowfully asked her Father in Heaven why she had so much and the people she was now serving had so little. A voice then said to her, "This life isn't fair; but the next one will be." I think that that is the answer. This life truly isn't fair, in so many ways; but we also know that the next one will be. In the meantime, we can do all that we can to help those for whom life isn't fair!
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